The European Union and its unity have always been questioned. Something that has always amused
me was the exclusion of Turkey from the European Union when historically speaking they should have
been the first nation to join. They called it the Eastern Question.
Constantinople was the Eastern kingdom of Catholic Rome till its downfall. It later became Istanbul.
Turkey and Germany fought alongside in World War One to defeat the Hungarians and its allies.
The Ottoman Empire warred against the Kingdom of Spain and Naples in the Battle of Lepanto.
England’s relationship with Turkey has caused struggles but alliances such as the Crimean War and their trade treaties.
Turkey by historical tradition should be considered part of Europe more than most of the countries inside Europe deserve.
Many European countries have fought against each other and allied also.
Finally, Turkey’s government and policies are run by the state, not by religious fanatics. Ataturk changed the Islamic Ottoman based society for the modern country it is now.
Turkey’s top two teams joined the European Champions league.
Why isn’t Turkey in the Euro? Could it be that certain European countries consider Turkey to be part of that old Ottoman Empire that once had a powerful Islamic kingdom? What countries ‘inside Europe’ (not the U.S.) don’t want Turkey to join the Union and its economy?
Robert Steele.
“Europe less the Nordics and certainly not counting Russia, is dead. So is the USA. Western politicians have been if anything worse than Eastern mandarins in that they sold out their publics to the Rothchild and Goldman Sachs and others fronting for the 300 families, and they hollowed out, looting, and generally drove stakes into the hearts of their various countries.
Their greatest sin in my view has been in the failure to educate the public to a standard necessary for an authentic democracy. Each country has fallen victim to a two-party bi-opoly that excludes all other parties, and perpetuates a tyranny.
As Ronald Reagan observed in speaking to the corrupt U.S. Congress, there is less turnover there than in the former Soviet Politburo.
It is a huge mistake to consider Turkey, or Iran, anything other than a returning community of interests. The days of Empire are over. In the Middle East Egypt is on the rise, Syria is headed for the sidelines, Iran is re-emergent as the hub for the non-aligned movement, Turkey is becoming a third voice that matters, and Israel continues to shoot itself in the head — one wonders when it will run out of Zionist fascists and when the world will finally focus on Palestine — as Gandhi said, Palestine is to the Palestinians as France is to the French.
Many do not realize that the Rothchilds have their counterparts in China and Indonesia, and less so but more of them in India as well. The Asians are rightly furious with the legalization of financial crime that the Germans and the Americans have carried out. It used to be that only transnational organized crime routed around government. Now I believe that three fifths to four fifths of the world economy is invisible to governments for revenue purposes — in addition to organized crime, System D, localized barter, white collar capital flights, and of course the massive financial fraud of the banks and major corporations, to include export-import pricing fraud.
Minister-Mentor Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore is exactly right when he says that demography is destiny. On that basis it is quite easy to see that Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela — as well as wild cards such as Congo, Nigeria, South Africa, and Turkey — are the future. Select countries such as Malaysia and New Zealand and perhaps Latvia and Estonia and Croatia have their own unique destinies to pursue.
My final observation: government is dead. Governments have become so corrupt and so inefficient they have lost all legitimacy and most authority. Their penchant for secrecy and violence is counter-productive and unaffordable. The U.S. Government has refused to listen to me these past 20 years, and is now completely dysfunctional at both the political and bureaucratic levels. My latest book, THE OPEN SOURCE EVERYTHING MANIFESTO: Transparency, Truth & Trust, is the “little red book” for the future of humanity, and one of the points it makes is that government in the 21st century is the least important of the eight information-sharing and sense-making communities — the others are academic, civil society including labor and religion, commerce, law enforcement, media, military, and non-government/non-profit. My next book now in progress for 2013 publication, is Public Governance in the 21st Century: New Rules, Hybrid Forms, One Constant. Its core point is that the public is finally armed with the Internet and hand-held devices, and finally at a point where authentic democracy or panarchy is achievable. In this context those governments that work very hard with the other seven communities to create an education-intelligence-
Claude Nougat.
“Turkey is not part of the Euro mainly because of France. Sarkozy, the previous President, was dead set against having Turkey into Europe, in spite of all the excellent historical reasons that you give. That’s because Turkey is overwhelmingly Islamic, and with its current government (Erdogan’s) it’s more Muslim than ever, pushing off the army to the side — the army that was carrying forward Ataturk’s inheritance, i.e. the conviction that the State should not be religious, that a democracy to function, needs to be open to every religion and give everyone equal chances. Sarkozy thought Erdogan’s government was going in the opposite direction.
In his view, to have a 90 million Islamic behemoth inside the European Union with an ideology different from the kind of free and open secular democracy France was promoting was seen as too dangerous. And a lot of Europeans view Turkey this way. Also Sarkozy is the guy who kicked out the Roms from France and sent them back to Bulgaria and Romania. He was always one for keeping purity, France to the French, etc., etc.
The fact that Turkey is currently positioning itself as a role model in the Middle East and for the Arab Spring countries (Syria included) doesn’t help. This is regrettable because indeed there is a European dimension to Turkey’s soul. And it would have functioned perfectly as the outer marches for the Europen Union, acting as a buffer zone and as a promoter of European political ideology. But that’s the point, isn’t it? Turkish ideology doesn’t quite match the European Union’s …
Will the situation change with the new French President François Hollande? He’s a Socialist, more open, more flexible to new ideas. But he’s been in power only for the past three months, it’s too soon to tell how he’s going to play the game. But so far, Hollande hasn’t shown himself to be very different from Sarkozy: he continues the policy of kicking out the Roms from France … Does that mean he doesn’t want Turkey into Europe? Maybe, maybe not. The problem now is that Erdogan appears to be the one who doesn’t want to get into Europe!”
Ida Horner.
To see Ida’s complete report about Europe’s Integration to the EU, click here:
http://thedailyjournalist.com/theinvestigative/european-union-and-integration/
“But a question arises as to why Turkey has not been let in, in spite of 60 years of negotiations? The question of Turkey’s suitability as an EU member state raises issues of the geographical limits of the EU as well as the identity of the EU with respect to its enlargement strategy.
Indeed Delhey 2007 p.260 has suggested that community cohesion is affected by similarity as well as proximity, and whilst measuring degrees of trust amongst the 27 EU member states, it transpired that Southern and South East enlargement weakened cohesion within the EU (Delhey 2007 p.265). Moreover as a less developed, culturally different to the EU, and with a population of 73.7 million in 2010 Turkey is less trusted (Delhey 2007 p.272 and, p.279 and trading Economics).
The EU is predominantly a Liberal Democratic Christian organization, founded on the values and norms of Christianity, and as such, this raises concerns as to how a predominantly Muslim country like Turkey would fit into such an organization.
Therefore, although an applicant country could never be turned down for reasons of religion, Turkey appears to present a challenge for the EU at several levels, such as norms, values, religion and demography and whether or not these can be overcome is an unknown quantity, as according to Schimmelfinnig and Sedelmeier 2002 p.515, an organization expands its institutions to outside states to the extent that these states share its collective identity, values and norms (see also Inglehert 1991 cited in Delhey 2007 p.279).
In summary therefore the EU seeks enlargement in order to mitigate elements that threaten its stability as well as accessing new markets.”
Nima Ch.
Nima is under TDJ’s identity protection program.
“Turkey still has some problems on human rights issues. Turkey must change its behaviour with the Kurds to make it possible to become part of European Union.
Furthermore they have to stop polygamy. They have to release jailed journalists. Otherwise the public opinion of Europeans wouldn’t like to see their politicians vote for Turkey’s membership. If a European Politician such as Merkel or Sakozy is against Turkey’s EU membership, it’s because of their voters.
I think if Turkey changes more laws, as they already have done with capital punishment, they can become a member of EU. For sure conservative ruling parties in Austria and Denmark will always be against Turkey’s membership.
But the Euro can and wants to use Turkey’s influence in the Islamic world.”
